It seems this database is to be accessible to "people, curators, etc." That's a pretty unfortunate formula! Call me a nit-picker, but in the light of the rest of the Statement and considerations on usage I am concerned it is not just an oversight but may betray an unstated bias that I am uncomfortable with. I am willing to put a LOT of effort and time into getting this platform to a higher plane, but I have some significantly different thoughts on where that is and how to get there.
Firstly, I am wary of what I see as the excessively technophilic bent n.e.w.s. is taking: as I have already said in a recent comment, in my mind all the formal gadgetry in the world will not replace a relative lack of content. Why has everyone stopped posting content?
Secondly, I do not think that waxing on about "artistic research projects" is the way to produce content -- it's just a way of cloaking the kind of epistemological tomfoolery we do in the mantle of respectability. But what's wrong with tomfoolery? Who are we trying to jockey with who are we trying to kid? Why pretend we're industrious when in fact we're slackers -- if not to mislead the powers-that-pay into forking over? But it's not really very interesting, nor in the long run very amusing, to simulate curatorial orgasms when we could just tell it how it is.
Thirdly, to put the second point differently, isn't that why it is foregrounded in the first sentence of the Statement that we are producing "cultural capital"? Fan as I am of Bourdieu, it is inconsistent with the spirit of n.e.w.s. to describe what we're doing as accumulating cultural capital. I think we should stand opposed to the cultural-capitalist class, not self-describe as its vanguard. It will not do to tack on the true-by-definition rider that use-value is determined by users, when we glibly identify with the more-and-more logic of capital accumulation.
I could go on, but to summarize, I smell an élist bias behind the democratic talk. Élitist bias is okay, but it needs to be unapologetic. Or it needs to go. The will to challenge the web2.0 swindle with a pay-per-contribution model is good start, but is contradicted by the idea that users should somehow pay for use! I think we should pay the users. Or at least not set things up such that our usership is comprised of that oddly cumulative group of "people, curators, etc." buying into our expert capital.
As Santana says, Give me your heart, make it real, or let's forget about it.
Thanks for the enthusiasm for the willingness to put a LOT of energy into n.e.w.s. the coming months. I intend to do the same myself, now that my original role has changed during the course of the past couple of months.
First, in response to the critique of the statement position, yes the vocabulary needs to be fine- tuned. Is that not what n.e.w.s. is partly about? Writing better texts together? The statement is a compilation of thoughts comprised of the feedback from the launch and to make a beginning- it was never to be seen as a finished text. But without too much hair-splitting terminology, my first point is to emphasise using the ‘books’ module to change the texts, not the blog. Or make the changes and then mention it in the posting.
Second, there isn’t an excessive technophilic bent, yet. I’m not a technological determinist nor is Prayas or Weng. The ‘technological features and models’ contains the feedback so far expressed by various parties: contributors, users, and audience at the launch. It seems not everyone chooses words as their medium, so podcasts and video enable different possibilities. Live-stream would have been handy at the launch, having a discussion with immediate response, etc.
As for your use of the term, slacker, is it a compliment or used derogatorily? Wikipedia states its merge of antimaterialism and underachievement. Or is it general apathy, aimlessness and lack of ambition? Unfortunately I am not a slacker, having just finished two translations before writing this comment. Maybe I would love to be a slacker, et al, if only…
Does that mean just doing nothing or bragging about doing nothing? Wasting time…or using company time - like the one day a week at Google policy- that’s their creative cultural strategy. Slacking off? How about ‘Slactivism’ as a kind of resitance or antiproductiveness (is that a word)? It comes up in Wikipedia here: http://www.bnettv.com/programs.php?id=6&actionLogin=fail. Is this online community similar to n.e.w.s.? Well, maybe ‘Slactivism’ could be a new term at n.e.w.s. or we can write the book on it, together.
I am not saying all form of leisure qualifies as resistance. When more than half just refuses to produce, will it become like what Ade mentioned as traffic builds up in Jakarta in 2013, everything will come to a screeching halt? Or slowing everything down, taking your time as Weng mentions? This also ties into to the previous discussion Branka initiated that I would like to pick up at n.e.w.s concerning ‘precarious labour’ and maybe conditions what being a ‘slacker’ is all about.
Third, and following Godard suggesting payment to those who watch TV, could paying users conceivably be the next stage of the n.e.w.s.plan, looking towards ‘Web 3.0 ?'
Sincerely, I think achieving something is at stake here- whether you want to share works that might be a bit off the mainstream radar, collaboratively write a text which might resolve and (re)define certain words and vocabularies misused or used otherwise, or facilitate a discourse that has yet to be defined. Or get feedback on a plan, idea, whatever with others who don’t necessarily agree with you, conceive of plausible (art) worlds….
The Singapore Biennale opened last week, and the organisers, that is, the National Arts Council (less the curators themselves), have really been pushing a populist message for the contemporary art on show, as well as for art in general. I see parallels between this rhetoric of art populism and its corollary, anti-elitism, with the far more serious situation of the US elections.
I don't think the only counter to this misconceived populism is an unapologetic elitism.
It's a topic that deserves some sustained discussion, and I'm hoping, when I can steal some time, to return and properly engage Stephen's and Renée's comments sometime soon.
Responding to perceived hints of techno-fascination/fetishism, I would say that I am more interested in exploring how new tools, mechanisms and tactics can expand how we say and share things. Content/form/technology polarities are not really so relevant to what I am interested in. Call it "imagination-casting" (casting as in forecasting, mould making) - expanding the nature of what we can imagine. And of course the base-line is achieving new possibilities in the most "low-fi" way possible. Towards this end open-source tools lend themselves easily to be appropriated, re-used and hacked. Deflating buzzwords which the commercial technology world blows up from time to time is part of this process.
Web 2.0 was partly a tactic employed by web-businesses to use unused infrastructure and capacity of the broadband infrastructure laid by companies during the first web boom (and went bankrupt doing it). It was perceived that there were not enough people and not enough money to hire people to create content which the new infrastructure had the capacity of serving. "User-generated content" has a nice economics to it. And in a way n.e.w.s is again subverting it to bridge back to the earlier models to evolve a newer model to quantify the tangible value of intangible labour.
I agree with all the earlier comments about slacking and slackerishness. I had once been to meet a swiss friend of mine and was babbling on to him about the projects I hoped to work on and he asked me a simple question about my obsession with "productivity." Generative art in a way helps artists do less and still show more by using computers, algorithms and code to make diverse variations of visions. Then I saw this film "Slacker" (Linklater/1991) last year, which seemed to be the blandness and purposelessness of slacking. Slacking for me is more about the purposefulness of being able to do nothing. Urgency kills us.
[I tried to leave a comment already and it might have been intentionally left unpublished...I'm trying again as I feel the material is relevant, but will certainly get the message if it is left unpublished again!]
The studied laziness fomented and practised by LeisureArts made that blog exemplary for many aspiring slackers, including me. Though it, like everything ultimately, had to lapse into slackdom, I am happy to see it still survives as a slackspace for leisurely perusal on the web. Here's to hoping Randall will continue to contribute posts to n.e.w.s. As I already wrote elsewhere on this blog, the interview he did explaining why he stopped LeisureArt when its slothfulness started to feel like art work is essential reading: http://intheconversation.blogs.com/art/2008/03/interview-with.html
I say essential because he touches on a paradox that I can't for the life of me figure out how to overcome: how to avoid the operators of reification that hide, like trolls, beneath every bridge between art and the real. How, for instance, to promote negative growth in art, without producing still more art?! I'm working on a post on the subject, called "Artophagy" -- art that devours art, ultimately canceling itself out.
When I first said yes to be part of N.E.W.S I some how thought it would be a perfect platform to get feedback from colleagues on two curatorial projects I’m currently fulfilling, Troca-trocas which researches artistic and cultural practices that address sexuality as an experience where subject formation isn’t culturally fixed, and Pelurinho; on crime and punishment in .... Part of what I meant by getting feedback was the usual outcome you get with any colleague: artists to take a look at, texts, films, any data which maybe useful for the outcome of any project. The difference here between an ordinary e-mail or meeting up at a cafe or bumping into each other at biennial, is that the “curatorial knowledge is published on-line” and therefore it becomes a curatorial bank, rendered by the participant’s judgment.
For that matter, since the beginning, I find a bit useless to write so much on the technical aspect of n.e.w.s., or the system, rather than the potentiality for knowledge construction. As in the XIX century, it is through writing and its publication (mechanical or digital) that an “imagined community” * (B.Anderson), such as this one, finds its visibility and agency.
* Imagined Communities: Reflections on the Origin and Spread of Nationalism by Benedict Anderson
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"people, curators, etc."
It seems this database is to be accessible to "people, curators, etc." That's a pretty unfortunate formula! Call me a nit-picker, but in the light of the rest of the Statement and considerations on usage I am concerned it is not just an oversight but may betray an unstated bias that I am uncomfortable with. I am willing to put a LOT of effort and time into getting this platform to a higher plane, but I have some significantly different thoughts on where that is and how to get there.
Firstly, I am wary of what I see as the excessively technophilic bent n.e.w.s. is taking: as I have already said in a recent comment, in my mind all the formal gadgetry in the world will not replace a relative lack of content. Why has everyone stopped posting content?
Secondly, I do not think that waxing on about "artistic research projects" is the way to produce content -- it's just a way of cloaking the kind of epistemological tomfoolery we do in the mantle of respectability. But what's wrong with tomfoolery? Who are we trying to jockey with who are we trying to kid? Why pretend we're industrious when in fact we're slackers -- if not to mislead the powers-that-pay into forking over? But it's not really very interesting, nor in the long run very amusing, to simulate curatorial orgasms when we could just tell it how it is.
Thirdly, to put the second point differently, isn't that why it is foregrounded in the first sentence of the Statement that we are producing "cultural capital"? Fan as I am of Bourdieu, it is inconsistent with the spirit of n.e.w.s. to describe what we're doing as accumulating cultural capital. I think we should stand opposed to the cultural-capitalist class, not self-describe as its vanguard. It will not do to tack on the true-by-definition rider that use-value is determined by users, when we glibly identify with the more-and-more logic of capital accumulation.
I could go on, but to summarize, I smell an élist bias behind the democratic talk. Élitist bias is okay, but it needs to be unapologetic. Or it needs to go. The will to challenge the web2.0 swindle with a pay-per-contribution model is good start, but is contradicted by the idea that users should somehow pay for use! I think we should pay the users. Or at least not set things up such that our usership is comprised of that oddly cumulative group of "people, curators, etc." buying into our expert capital.
As Santana says, Give me your heart, make it real, or let's forget about it.
Slactivism
Thanks for the enthusiasm for the willingness to put a LOT of energy into n.e.w.s. the coming months. I intend to do the same myself, now that my original role has changed during the course of the past couple of months.
First, in response to the critique of the statement position, yes the vocabulary needs to be fine- tuned. Is that not what n.e.w.s. is partly about? Writing better texts together? The statement is a compilation of thoughts comprised of the feedback from the launch and to make a beginning- it was never to be seen as a finished text. But without too much hair-splitting terminology, my first point is to emphasise using the ‘books’ module to change the texts, not the blog. Or make the changes and then mention it in the posting.
Second, there isn’t an excessive technophilic bent, yet. I’m not a technological determinist nor is Prayas or Weng. The ‘technological features and models’ contains the feedback so far expressed by various parties: contributors, users, and audience at the launch. It seems not everyone chooses words as their medium, so podcasts and video enable different possibilities. Live-stream would have been handy at the launch, having a discussion with immediate response, etc.
As for your use of the term, slacker, is it a compliment or used derogatorily? Wikipedia states its merge of antimaterialism and underachievement. Or is it general apathy, aimlessness and lack of ambition? Unfortunately I am not a slacker, having just finished two translations before writing this comment. Maybe I would love to be a slacker, et al, if only…
Does that mean just doing nothing or bragging about doing nothing? Wasting time…or using company time - like the one day a week at Google policy- that’s their creative cultural strategy. Slacking off? How about ‘Slactivism’ as a kind of resitance or antiproductiveness (is that a word)? It comes up in Wikipedia here: http://www.bnettv.com/programs.php?id=6&actionLogin=fail. Is this online community similar to n.e.w.s.? Well, maybe ‘Slactivism’ could be a new term at n.e.w.s. or we can write the book on it, together.
I am not saying all form of leisure qualifies as resistance. When more than half just refuses to produce, will it become like what Ade mentioned as traffic builds up in Jakarta in 2013, everything will come to a screeching halt? Or slowing everything down, taking your time as Weng mentions? This also ties into to the previous discussion Branka initiated that I would like to pick up at n.e.w.s concerning ‘precarious labour’ and maybe conditions what being a ‘slacker’ is all about.
Third, and following Godard suggesting payment to those who watch TV, could paying users conceivably be the next stage of the n.e.w.s.plan, looking towards ‘Web 3.0 ?'
Sincerely, I think achieving something is at stake here- whether you want to share works that might be a bit off the mainstream radar, collaboratively write a text which might resolve and (re)define certain words and vocabularies misused or used otherwise, or facilitate a discourse that has yet to be defined. Or get feedback on a plan, idea, whatever with others who don’t necessarily agree with you, conceive of plausible (art) worlds….
http://www.masterhumphreysclock.nl/html/Michael_Stevenson-EN.html
elitism & populism
The Singapore Biennale opened last week, and the organisers, that is, the National Arts Council (less the curators themselves), have really been pushing a populist message for the contemporary art on show, as well as for art in general. I see parallels between this rhetoric of art populism and its corollary, anti-elitism, with the far more serious situation of the US elections.
I don't think the only counter to this misconceived populism is an unapologetic elitism.
It's a topic that deserves some sustained discussion, and I'm hoping, when I can steal some time, to return and properly engage Stephen's and Renée's comments sometime soon.
Deflating buzzwords, aspirational slackerism and web 2.0
Responding to perceived hints of techno-fascination/fetishism, I would say that I am more interested in exploring how new tools, mechanisms and tactics can expand how we say and share things. Content/form/technology polarities are not really so relevant to what I am interested in. Call it "imagination-casting" (casting as in forecasting, mould making) - expanding the nature of what we can imagine. And of course the base-line is achieving new possibilities in the most "low-fi" way possible. Towards this end open-source tools lend themselves easily to be appropriated, re-used and hacked. Deflating buzzwords which the commercial technology world blows up from time to time is part of this process.
Web 2.0 was partly a tactic employed by web-businesses to use unused infrastructure and capacity of the broadband infrastructure laid by companies during the first web boom (and went bankrupt doing it). It was perceived that there were not enough people and not enough money to hire people to create content which the new infrastructure had the capacity of serving. "User-generated content" has a nice economics to it. And in a way n.e.w.s is again subverting it to bridge back to the earlier models to evolve a newer model to quantify the tangible value of intangible labour.
I agree with all the earlier comments about slacking and slackerishness. I had once been to meet a swiss friend of mine and was babbling on to him about the projects I hoped to work on and he asked me a simple question about my obsession with "productivity." Generative art in a way helps artists do less and still show more by using computers, algorithms and code to make diverse variations of visions. Then I saw this film "Slacker" (Linklater/1991) last year, which seemed to be the blandness and purposelessness of slacking. Slacking for me is more about the purposefulness of being able to do nothing. Urgency kills us.
Slackers
[I tried to leave a comment already and it might have been intentionally left unpublished...I'm trying again as I feel the material is relevant, but will certainly get the message if it is left unpublished again!]
This post (of mine) touches on many of the issues raised in this thread:
http://leisurearts.blogspot.com/2006/05/slacker-leisurearts-bricoleur.html
And the now defunct LeisureArts as a whole touches many other themes at n.e.w.s. Some of its concerns have been cited elsewhere at n.e.w.s.
Best,
Randall Szott - http://thedepartmentofaesthetics.org/
"communities formed by slack are bound by slack"
The studied laziness fomented and practised by LeisureArts made that blog exemplary for many aspiring slackers, including me. Though it, like everything ultimately, had to lapse into slackdom, I am happy to see it still survives as a slackspace for leisurely perusal on the web. Here's to hoping Randall will continue to contribute posts to n.e.w.s. As I already wrote elsewhere on this blog, the interview he did explaining why he stopped LeisureArt when its slothfulness started to feel like art work is essential reading: http://intheconversation.blogs.com/art/2008/03/interview-with.html
I say essential because he touches on a paradox that I can't for the life of me figure out how to overcome: how to avoid the operators of reification that hide, like trolls, beneath every bridge between art and the real. How, for instance, to promote negative growth in art, without producing still more art?! I'm working on a post on the subject, called "Artophagy" -- art that devours art, ultimately canceling itself out.
curatorial bank
When I first said yes to be part of N.E.W.S I some how thought it would be a perfect platform to get feedback from colleagues on two curatorial projects I’m currently fulfilling, Troca-trocas which researches artistic and cultural practices that address sexuality as an experience where subject formation isn’t culturally fixed, and Pelurinho; on crime and punishment in .... Part of what I meant by getting feedback was the usual outcome you get with any colleague: artists to take a look at, texts, films, any data which maybe useful for the outcome of any project. The difference here between an ordinary e-mail or meeting up at a cafe or bumping into each other at biennial, is that the “curatorial knowledge is published on-line” and therefore it becomes a curatorial bank, rendered by the participant’s judgment.
For that matter, since the beginning, I find a bit useless to write so much on the technical aspect of n.e.w.s., or the system, rather than the potentiality for knowledge construction. As in the XIX century, it is through writing and its publication (mechanical or digital) that an “imagined community” * (B.Anderson), such as this one, finds its visibility and agency.
* Imagined Communities: Reflections on the Origin and Spread of Nationalism by Benedict Anderson
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